Comments on: Pensions -v- Property : Some Simple Comparisons For The Common Sense Investor https://propertyinsider.info/pensions-v-property-some-simple-comparisons-for-the-common-sense-investor/ by Mark Hempshell >>> Property News, Ideas, Strategies, Tips. For Property Investors & Property Professionals Thu, 17 May 2018 07:27:13 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.4.3 By: Mark Churchill https://propertyinsider.info/pensions-v-property-some-simple-comparisons-for-the-common-sense-investor/#comment-12 Thu, 28 Jan 2016 14:23:08 +0000 https://propertyinsider.info/?p=22#comment-12 Interesting, although remarkably one-sided!

While all the points above contain some elements of truth, many are over-simplified, and any points that may see pensions in a more favourable light have of course been omitted.

(For the record: I have both types of investment and have done for ~5 years).

Over-simplified points:

1.What are you putting your money into?
—”Paper instruments” is over-simplified. For example if you own Taylor Wimpey shares, you are investing in a real company that is building houses. With a SIPP you can choose your own investments and these can include commercial property.

4.Is it an asset?
—Of course the investments within a pension are assets. I chose investments I expect to appreciate, and I can sell them (within the pension wrapper) when I feel they’ve reached their value potential. On retirement I can turn them into an income, sell them for cash or pass them on to spouse or dependents. What is your definition of an “asset” that makes you answer this with an unqualified “no”? Some definitions to provoke readers’ thoughts: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asset

6. How long do you need to hold it before a return is likely?
—It’s good that you are encouraging at least a >10 year outlook for both, but where do you get these arbitrary sounding figures from?

7.Who pays the ongoing running/management costs?
—Omitted that during void periods, landlords pay all costs on the property.

8. Can you cash in your investment if things change and you want your money back?
—Your answer on pensions is accurate, your answer on property is vague and optimistic. Property is well known as an asset with poor liquidity. First, in a quiet market you can be waiting months for a buyer. Second, in the majority of cases it costs you fees to sell. Third, with a discount or fixed rate mortgage there may be early repayment charges to the lender. Finally, obviously like any risk-based investment you might not get all of your money back – you should really point this out to be fair and balanced.

Omitted points:

12. How much do you have to earn (gross) for every £1 you invest?

Pensions: £0.80 if you’re a basic rate taxpayer. £0.60 if higher rate, £0.55 if additional rate.
Property: £1.25 if you’re paying basic rate income tax, £1.67 if higher rate, £1.82 if additional rate.

13. Can it ever cost you money beyond what you invested?

Pensions: no
Property: yes, and finding cash at short notice for repairs or renovations may be necessary to maintain either your income from tenants or the capital value of your investment.

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I appreciate you’ve gone for a glib assault on pensions and as such the piece is an enjoyable read. For the reader looking for some substance, this comment is aimed at balancing things out a little 🙂

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